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Income management in the NT: Food for taxis

By Claire Smith and Gary Jackson

Posted October 6, 2008 09:56:00
Updated October 6, 2008 09:57:00

The Government says its yardstick for whether an NTER measure is working is: 'Is it good for kids?'

The Government says its yardstick for whether an NTER measure is working is: 'Is it good for kids?' (ABC TV)

When the government receives the recommendations of the Northern Territory Emergency Response (NTER) Review Board later this month, it is going to have to face the unintended consequences of its actions.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Indigenous Affairs Minister Jenny Macklin have stated on a number of occasions that their yardstick for whether an NTER measure is working is: "Is it good for kids?" We have just conducted an in-depth study of the impact of the NTER on 118 people in the Katherine East region. Let us assess one NTER measure against the Prime Minister's yardstick.

The NTER measure of income management has meant that half of people's welfare payments must be spent of food and other essential items, such as clothing. This income support can only be accessed through store cards that are distributed in the major townships, and which can only be spent at major outlets.

Our study found that income management has meant that more money is being spent on children's needs. This is because all members of the family who receive welfare benefits are issued with store cards - so there are more funds in the food pool. In the past, some family members could avoid contributing to household food budgets, and just spend their money on their personal priorities, knowing that they would get a share of the food, anyway.

The introduction of store cards has meant that all adult family members now have to contribute directly to household budgets. Even if you 'sell' your store card to another family member, you won't get the full value, as that person has limited available cash. Irrespective of how it may move within the community, a $50 store card can only be spent on food and other necessities.

More food and clothes has to be good for kids, so on the face of it, income management would seem to fulfill the Prime Minister's yardstick of "Is it good for kids?"

Food for taxis

However, the situation gets murky if you look a little further.

The major problem concerns where you live. The NTER targets Aboriginal communities in remote areas (though it also includes some town camps and communities), but it is administered from town. In order to comply with the various provisions of the NTER, Aboriginal people have to get themselves to town.

The people who are targeted by the NTER are living on welfare, and very few people have a car (perhaps one in 10). There is no regional transport system. So, the only way to get into town is for a few people to band together to pay for a taxi.

In the communities of Barunga, Eva Valley and Wugularr a one-way taxi ride varies from $160 to $220. Luckily, this counts as an essential service, so income management funds can be diverted from food to taxis.

So, people pay $220 to drive past their community store (where they are not allowed to use their income managed funds) so they can collect their store cards and buy their food in town.

The downturn in trade has meant that many community stores have become non-viable, and in this process the quantity and quality of food available to communities decreases dramatically. One outcome for kids has been an increase in anemia in some communities.

Unviable community stores are being taken over by outback stores, who have to provide an agreed range of fresh foods. In this process, however, communities are losing autonomy and, in the initial stages, much needed jobs for Aboriginal people.

Drinking in Katherine

Another unintended consequence of income management is that when the drinkers come to town to collect their store cards, they stay on. Once they are in Katherine, alcohol is readily available, so their alcohol consumption becomes greater than it would have been if they had stayed at their community.

The increased number of drinkers in town has produced higher levels of violence and other criminal behaviours.

The quarterly crime and justice statistics recently released by the NT Government found that 'offences against the person' have increased 9 per cent when compared with the same period last year, and are up 32 per cent compared to five years ago. While the long-term trend is partly due changes in reporting requirements, the North Australian Justice Agency recently found that murder cases involving Aboriginal legal aid have nearly doubled in the last year - from six cases last year to 11 this year.

This is partly due to a breakdown in family cohesion and support. When Aboriginal people move to town, they leave behind their normal family support networks. In these new situations, some people feel isolated and stressed. This makes them more likely to become involved in a violent incident, a situation exacerbated by alcohol.

Increased violence and drinking has caused Anne Shepherd, the Mayor of Katherine, to call for alcohol to be made available in bush communities.

The town is not equipped to cope with the influx of people. Increased infrastructure has been minimal: an additional rehabilitation bed at the local hospital and one new public toilet.

There is no extra accommodation, so community people are living with extended family members in already overcrowded houses (which causes family tension), or are sleeping in the long grass, or along the river. With the wet season coming up, the health implications of this are quite scary.

Racial tension

Increased levels of racial tension between Aboriginal people and the townspeople of Katherine are another unintended consequence of the NTER. From the point of view of the townspeople of Katherine, the outcomes are all negative. This is apparent in the following comments:

It might be working for some Aboriginal communities, but it is certainly not working for the Katherine community.

People are just camping everywhere around the edges of town. They're everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere.

They just come into town, and town is not equipped to deal with it.

People are using Katherine as a toilet. Defacating, fornicating and every other 'cating you can think of!

Why spoil our town? ... People are leaving Katherine because of these behaviours. And they don't want to leave. It's a good little town.

Small businesses are being damaged by income management, which only allows Aboriginal people to spend in particular stores. Though some small businesses in Katherine are valiantly working their way through the accreditation system, in practice store cards are spent almost exclusively at Woolworths, Target and Caltex. This is a matter of concern for Katherine townspeople:

The intervention here is very wrong. They can only spend their other 50 per cent at Woolworths. That's really bad for the town. They should be able to spend their money where they like.

How could they devise a system that is so biased? The butchers and the bakers are all missing out because the people don't have any money.

The restrictions on income management mean that Aboriginal people are not able to take manage their money to take advantage of specials. For example, they are not allowed to spend income-managed funds to buy second hand clothes at the Salvation Army's Family Store, or other thrift shops.

However, the most damaging aspect of income management is that it is racially discriminating. Of the people interviewed for our study, 95 per cent expressed concern with discriminatory nature of the NTER. Grounded in discrimination by race rather than behaviour one unintended consequence of income management has been the humiliation of good Aboriginal people:

When I see people lining up with that store card, I feel ashamed. It makes me feel sad. White people think that black people don't work. But we do work. We have a lot of Indigenous people who are well educated. But that store card gives white people a picture of Aboriginal people on welfare all the time. That's not fair. We're all human beings.

Now we are lining up at Centrelink. You never see white people lining up for store card. Only Aboriginal people.

Let us return to our Prime Minister's yardstick for success, is this good for kids? A female youth from Wugularr made the following comment:

I was in Woolies with all the Aboriginal people lined up. "All day shopping with that store card from Centrelink," I heard a tourist say. Like, running people down. I was behind that tourist. I had a store card, too ... It was a bad thing for me to hear what white people say. It made me feel bad, hurt inside. Shame.

While income management has meant more money spent on food for kids, it is also shaming those kids and their families.

Your call, Prime Minister.

Claire Smith and Gary Jackson are based with the Institute of Advanced Study for Humanity at the University of Newcastle. They have conducted research with Aboriginal communities in the Katherine East region for the last 20 years. This opinion piece is based on their report, A Community Based Review of the Northern Territory Emergency Response.

Tags: community-and-society, indigenous, welfare, government-and-politics, federal-government, australia, nt

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  • Matt:

    06 Oct 2008 10:24:30am

    Welfare has been one of the major elements of destruction within the indigenous community. Whilst I understand the good-will behind such measures, in the long run, it has proved disasterous and counter productive.

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      • PaulB:

        06 Oct 2008 11:39:24am


        Well said Matt,

        The other issue is the determination of Aboriginal elites & the Left, to perpetuate & institutionalise the "noble savage", within Australia.

        We are meant to be proud that we have 2 classes of citizens in this country. Those forced to grow up in a culture founded in pre-history, and the rest of us embracing modernity. In other countries, that aren't given left-wing immunity, we rightly call this fundamentalism.

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      • Pen Pal:

        06 Oct 2008 3:31:05pm

        Nonsense Matt!

        Welfare, and all the associated actions, is giving longevity to the Aboriginal race with a lot better health services than when they roamed around the bush like lost soles.

        Time will properly integrate those indigenous people who want to take hold of the 21st century and in this modern world there is little choice but for us to follow this course. To do otherwise will only expose Australia as a non caring country who has turned its economic back on its first citizens.

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          • Matt:

            06 Oct 2008 5:42:47pm

            It is also doing a great deal of of social harm Pen Pal. There are better and more productive ways of promoting health. A diet of coke and chips is hardly a positive step forward.

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      • Aka:

        06 Oct 2008 3:58:33pm

        Welfare is a right of Australia's citizens - so what exactly are you implying here, that Indigenous Australians are not citizens?

        The intervention was not motivated out of goodwill, it was purely an attempt at getting re-elected by the Howard govt.

        These opinion articles certainly bring out the racial divide in Australia.

        To be fair, income management should be for all Australians on welfare. At the very least it should be for people who are deemed as needing it regardless of race or place of residence. Anything else is discrimination, pure and simple.

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          • Matt:

            06 Oct 2008 5:39:00pm

            Always have to play the race card, don't you? The point I was making is clear. Welfare when distributed the way it has, is not productive at all. Welfare should be a transitionary tool for those in need, into employment and meaningful work (provided that person does not have a disability that prohibits it). Just handing out money gives people no concenpt of the value of things, nor does it promote the ethic of meaningful employment and hard work. Nothing more nothing less. Leave all the "discrimination" rubbish out of the equation... quite frankly it didn't even cross my mind.

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              • Mick:

                07 Oct 2008 8:36:49am

                well said Matt, much like when i left school i took 6 months off to relax before entering the workforce, once i had entered the work force and started making my own money i couldn't go back to not having money being paid to me on a weekly basis, so what did i do? made sure i got a job so i didn't have to go without, handing these aboriginal people money in the way of welfare isn't helping the situation because they know they are going to get money at the end of the fortnight, maybe they should be on the same welfare as us white australians where you have to prove you've applied for 10 jobs per week, have a case manager that looks after your case and penalise for not complying to the rules of newstart, maybe if they started this you'd find alot more aboriginal people looking for work and getting an education, continuing to throw money or income cards won't help these people get out of their lifestyles because there is no incentive to

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  • Wake up Australia:

    06 Oct 2008 10:43:55am

    'While income management has meant more money spent on food for kids, it is also shaming those kids and their families.'

    Hell we don't want them shamed after all the terrible things that whitey has done do we? - sorry, but maybe shame (indicating self respect) is what these people actually need to pull THEMSELVES out of their largely self imposed life style.



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      • quinny:

        06 Oct 2008 11:24:21am

        The article is not about the big bad 'whitey' debate. The current situation of "these people", as you refer to them, is not self-imposed at all. They are in this situation becasue of the "whitey's" bright idea of intervention. If you recall, the army was called in and the whole plan was IMPOSED on the Indigenous peoples.

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      • NT boy:

        06 Oct 2008 11:59:15am

        Actually I have seen that the food bought for the kids is usually of low nutritional value products like lollies, cordials, chips and the likes. And many stores like the Salvation Army are not on the list of places to use the cards, this means they have to purchase new clothes at much higher prices, leaving less money for extra food.

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      • Gurini:

        06 Oct 2008 2:32:45pm

        And while your rubbing your eyes as your waking up Austraila, you might want to think about why there are calls for Royal Commissions and the like on how Federal Government and taxpayers $$$ earmarked for Aboriginal Affairs in the NT have been spent over the last 20 odd years. Self imposed by whom I ask.

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  • NT boy:

    06 Oct 2008 11:08:51am

    I have been in a queue behind a few card holders a number of times.. they have to make up the exact amount or close to it or they lose money, What happens is the last $10 of a $50 card or usually $25 of $100 duel card shop is made up of fizzy soft-drink, lollies and chips, and more lollies for the kids. Not the most beneficial food requirements for the kids, but as they are already at the checkout they just grab the closest things to make up the money, invariably it is from the snack shelves.

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      • Felix:

        06 Oct 2008 2:20:11pm

        So are you suggesting we should make it more restrictive so as to remove that aspect? Perhaps some financial management (or basic maths) should also be included? At least by linking school attendance to welfare we might end up with the next generation knowing how much their food will cost and can spend a bit mroe wisely.

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      • Sean:

        06 Oct 2008 3:50:18pm

        This is a clear example of the way discrimination pervades not only the concept but the detail of this intervention. Stores such as Woolworths and target, the main participants in this scheme, already have store cards with adjustable balances. So if I have purcahsed a $50 gift card and I spend $30 the value of the card is adjusted and I keep it to spend the remaining $20 later. Why has an inherently inferior type of card been imposed on indigenous australians?
        Anything which sigmatises people exposes them to further discrimination and can only be part of the problem, not the solution.

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  • quinny:

    06 Oct 2008 11:10:08am

    Thank you Claire and Gary for this much needed information. I supposed no one should be suprised that this is a result from a clear lack of planning by the Howard govt. Such a rushed, politically expedient response to a complex issue no doubt ran the risk of what you document. I fear the problems arising out of the intervention may outweigh any benefits.

    Obviously, the public, generally, agree that something had to be done, but I find it disgusting that Indigenous Australian are at the mercy of corporate giants, while local business goes down the gurgler. How humiliating for all - except these corporations, of course.

    Nonetheless, I am waiting to see how the Rudd government will differentiate itself from its predecessors on the Indigenous issue.

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      • rfnk:

        06 Oct 2008 6:16:44pm

        I think you'll be waiting a long time for that! It seems the only difference is the time it takes this Government to make any decisions. The boundary between Labor and Liberal in Australia at all levels was lost long ago along with the notion of a politician committed to the long-term good of the nation.

        This NTER issue seems a bit silly isn't it? It's ridiculous for people to have to bypass their local shops to go to a larger centre - speed up the accreditation of the local shops. how hard can that be? Food coupons only for Aborigines? How ridiculous! Of course food coupons should be allocated to all who need basic living support. To have this as a measure only applied to Aborigines is racist and stupid.

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  • Leanne:

    06 Oct 2008 11:11:44am

    I live in Alice Springs and I was recently standing in a queue in the supermarket behind a middle-aged Aboriginal lady and her husband. They had a couple of kids with them and seemed no different to any other middle aged couple except for their skin colour. When the lady reached the checkout, the teenager serving her took her card, looked at it and yelled at the top of his lungs "Gavin! I've got income management!!". 'Gavin' eventually ambled over and used his key to open the cash register and do what seemed like an inordinate amount of fiddling and paper producing while the queue grew and grew and the lady stood there patiently. I wondered what this particular lady had done to deserve this humiliation and whether her kids were really better off for it. Surely there has to be some way to determine who should be 'income managed', instead of basing it simply on where the person happens to live.

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      • dragon:

        06 Oct 2008 1:28:42pm

        I believe that the system is truly there to help. But I agree with you about the way it needs to be implemented by the retailing and service industries. Your example highlights a problem with this particular store. And if I was the owner/manager, I would certainly have dragged the 2 people involved aside and reiterated my policy that customers are to be treated with respect, no matter what their skin colour is.

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  • renn:

    06 Oct 2008 11:21:40am

    Aboriginal people of Australia, What is the answer?
    How do you want to live?

    Why doesnt the local community store take the cards?
    Why does alcohol have to be such a BIG problem?
    Why do people have to get drunk? Grog is not only an aboriginal problem. It is in all communities.

    It seems that no matter what is done for the aboriginals, there are some that are not happy. There also a lot that probally are happy enough and get on with their lives, but we dont hear about them.



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      • NT boy:

        06 Oct 2008 5:03:12pm

        A. The Local community shops are not listed by the fed government as a place the cards can be used.
        B. In their small towns grog isint a problem - as most camp towns are dry - it is when they come into big towns that grog is a problem
        C. I agree, I have seen children worse treated by drug dependant parents in the cities than out here in the Outback.
        D. Very few are happy with the intervention.. in fact very few 'whiteys' in the NT are that happy with it either.

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      • Mick:

        07 Oct 2008 8:27:43am

        the problem with alcohol and Aboriginal people is based on we (european Australians) have been around alcohol for thousands of years and such have grown immune to becoming addicted so to speak, Aboriginals only became aware of alcohol when white europeans came and brought with them their rum etc, how many generations of white people have been around alcohol for the last 2000-3000 years??? and Aboriginals have only been around alcohol for the last 300 years tops, so their minds and bodies haven't been around it for that long thus leading to abuse of alcohol etc, thats the problem with alcohol and Aboriginal people Renn, they just haven't evolved to handle it without abusing it,

        much like the kid in a lolly shop you can say have a lolly but you know the kid is going to be kicking and screaming wanting more lollies because the lack of self control

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          • Felix:

            07 Oct 2008 10:05:13am

            A little simple Mick. Take a walk into any CBD entertainment precinct and tell me whether you honestly believe that the drunken idiots you see (whether white, asian or black) have evolved far at all...........

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  • angela:

    06 Oct 2008 11:59:27am

    Big stick paternalistic approaches always fail for the reasons shown in this article. There have been eleven major reports on how to deal with Indigenous disadvantage in the last decade. Not one of those recommendations has been funded. Why don't we start with providing the infrastructure that we all need for viable communities and families- health, education, welfare ,transport and jobs.

    Go and look at your own suburb and imagine how functional you would be without the services local, state and federal government provides for you and your family. Two examples - garbage collection - someone is paid to do that for you, and they earn money to feed back into the local economy- in Aboriginal communites it is work for the dole- why? Truancy is a problem in Aboriginal communites -but if every kid rocked up to school, in many communities there would be insufficient class rooms- can you imagine the outcry in your suburb? Can we please drop the cheap populism of blame the victim and look at the real issues.

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      • laurence:

        06 Oct 2008 1:32:37pm

        gees i have just come back from 6 months working out in communites inthe central desert area and have noticed that all the places i have been on have these things and before you reach for a bigger soapbox i must remind you that these communites are not suburbs of any centralised township but basically hamlets of 200 to 500 people....... i don't know of many places of this size that have the facilities of major centres.

        truancy is a problem on communites but i always niavely thought that it was a parents responsibility to make sure that thier children attended school ....... as for enough spaces for the children i assure you that on every place i have been to there is adequate space for all the communites children and most of the adults for that matter in these schools a bigger problem is getting teachers to stay ......... i guess the abuse and disrespect shown to educators could have something to do with that. i wonder if this is the reason so many clinics suffer from a lack of staff

        ah well i guess i'm just niave and don't have your wonderful clear vision of the problems out bush

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          • Felix:

            06 Oct 2008 2:22:44pm

            Fair points luarence, unfortunately most people on this blog have their own romantic notion of life in aboriginal communities and take little notice of the opinions of those that have actually worked and lived 'out there'.

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      • declan:

        06 Oct 2008 1:38:45pm

        CDEP was a big stick paternalistic approach .... and it works in many communities.

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  • muzz:

    06 Oct 2008 12:05:29pm

    The intervention was a poor idea, poorly executed with the poorest of motives. The motive was not to improve peoples lives it was to to get re-elected for the Howard mob. Too bad for the people involved.

    This evidence of unintended consequence was predicted from the beginning. Of course community stores will be forced to close, people will drink harder when they go to town and the homicide rate will increase. Bleeding obvious consequence.

    Where are the local police forces, the local teachers and community workers and the local decision makers? The fly in fly our crowd has never worked. Child abuse and neglect goes deeper than Howard and his minions ever supposed...well outside their expertise.

    Community needs are not being met by this high handed strategy. What scares me is that Rudd and Company will now fund the various church groups and other "military" style people to re establish more mission type support that will further damage real community development.

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      • NT boy:

        06 Oct 2008 3:11:03pm

        Don't blame NT police... Much of the NT police that had authority have their hands tied because of this intervention, Remember the then Chief Minister of the NT resigned because of this action and the Feds only had to deal with an inexperienced leader. so they rode roughshot over the entire NT.

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          • Felix:

            06 Oct 2008 3:33:11pm

            She didn't resign, she was pushed - and the strong word is that is was by the indigenous cartel in Caucus that had no belief in her ability to represent aboriginal people. Her statement after Krudd was elected was 'I look forward to working with the Prime Minister to improve the lives of Territorians'. Not the words of someone about to resign. Then again, that seems to be the mid-term response for Labor Premiers of late....... get out before the people vote me out!

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              • quinny:

                06 Oct 2008 5:10:56pm

                Indigenous Cartel?? Oh please! Is this the term for self-determination and exercising political rights in a democracy by way of organising? What is so different to every other politician in any other political party?

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              • Felix:

                07 Oct 2008 9:45:03am

                Call it what you like quinny - that's the mentality of NT politicians. They made no real secret of the fact.

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  • NT boy:

    06 Oct 2008 2:17:33pm

    I suggest if they wish to keep this kind of operation long term then a photo id credit card be issued with the money only available at places not selling booze.
    That way they dont have to spend their $100 in one go in one shop and other stores like 2nd hand shops and community shops can be included.

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  • Felix:

    06 Oct 2008 2:28:33pm

    The other unintended outcome is that people who come into town to drink/escape/shop/socialise etc may at some point, realise they WANT TO ACCESS HELP for their drinking. They will have more chance of doing this in a small regional town than on their remote community. The Mayor of Katherine is being deliberately untruthful (or she's out of her depth) with the type and level of resources going into 'her town' and surrounding communites. A bit of research would demonstrate this. Another small town mayor trying to make a big profile.......

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      • NT boy:

        06 Oct 2008 3:36:56pm

        Felix.. You are completely wrong.
        Most of the communities where our indigenous live are dry (meaning booze is unavailable) and the Towns, Like Alice (where I live) are places where booze is available usually through greedy 'whiteys' - so bringing the people into towns like Catherine, Alice and Darwin etc is actually creating a larger problem than it tries to solve.

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          • LOZZA:

            06 Oct 2008 4:13:40pm

            If the info provided to me is correct, the communities around Timber Creek are dry, However those that wish to drink go to Timber Creek Pub, which is owned by some community consortium.

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          • Felix:

            07 Oct 2008 9:47:33am

            Sorry NT boy, you've obvioussly got no idea what legislation was in place prior to the Emergency Response. If people want to leave their much valued spritiual homeland, family adn 'culture' for a green can or two in town (and then not return), they obviously don't want to be there.

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  • Frank Baarda:

    06 Oct 2008 4:25:19pm

    Not mentioned in the numerous comments is the incredible inefficiency of this micro-economic management. It wouldn't surprise me if every $100 of Income Management (what's happened to the word 'Quarantined'?) costs the Australian taxpayer several hundred dollars.
    At Yuendumu we have a number of Centrelink personnel driving brand new 4-wheel drive vehicles (three of them) and staying at the Government Business Manager's compound and driving to Alice Springs every week-end. I haven't met them, they are most certainly not members of our community. For all I know they come from Tasmania (no disrespect to Tasmanians intended, Tasmania happens to be the furthest away from the Centre)'
    A third store was set up (must have cost a few $100,000s to do it) when the two existing locally owned stores refused to co-operate on Income Management. Many young people that are income managed have chosen to live in Alice Springs (Income Management has given them an excuse to do so) so the amount of cash being spent locally has been reduced significantly.
    Just when many local people were well and truly learning how to manage their money (such as buying second hand furniture in Alice Springs and arranging transport to Yuendumu), and when for years one of our local stores has been carrying out de-facto voluntary income management (by for example holding pensioner's money that they would draw on) we get a new wave of paternalism and we are back at square one.
    Externally imposed solutions rarely work. The only thing that the Interventionists have succeeded in, is in conning a large section of the public (and apparently many of our leaders) into believing that they are doing a great job and that the Little Sacred Children are safer now. In Yuendumu I don't see much for the rumoured $1,000,000,000 they have spent so far.

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  • aletea:

    06 Oct 2008 4:30:52pm

    I would love to see any of the commentators here who seem to support this humiliating intervention have to live with the consequences themselves. The reason the intervention is racist is absolutely demonstrated in the comments of the people who most support it. The intervention was predicated on a lie to begin with, you will not stop ONE aboriginal child from being sexually abused by humiliating their elders with welfare quarantining. And for those who argue to extend the whole principle across Australia to all welfare recipients, I ask, will you be applying the same standards to those who receive family tax benefits, baby bonuses, first home owners grants and investment incentives (ie. rudd housing policy) at the behest of the taxpayer? No, they wouldn't wear it would they. It is so easy to bash the marginalised, the sick and the poor.
    Well done to the writers of the article for bringing the truth out into the open. Restore the racial discrimination act. End the intervention and give proper support and resources to aboriginal people, including the opportunities for real work and wages.

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      • LOZZA:

        06 Oct 2008 4:46:57pm

        To get real work and wages, EDUCATION is essential and then you need to live in City/Town as any work in communities is limited.

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      • quinny:

        06 Oct 2008 5:05:59pm

        Aletea, well said. I often wonder if it were thousands of white-skinned people scattered across Australia, living under these conditions; what sentiments would we hear. Of course, the discourse would completely change.

        I have travelled extensively throughout the world and while I adore Australia, I fear the White Australia Policy has left its mark on our collective consciousness. Of course, all countries have their problems, but we are definitely behind the eight-ball with regards to due consideration of our Indigenous peoples.

        Just becasue they are in the main poor and marginalised, does not necessarily make the white man supreme or indicate an enhanced morality.

        Cheers.

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          • lukemac:

            07 Oct 2008 10:25:20am

            If there were thousands of other Australians scattered across this country, we wouldn't be living in the conditions that aborigines live in.
            Why?
            Because rather than sitting around and waiting for someone or some government to do something about it, we would do it for ourselves.

            Unrestricted welfare is the root of the problem.
            Sit down money has in a few generations taken almost all ability of aboriginals to fend for themselves. They are almost totally reliant on the government for everything, while fritting away any chances to lift themselves out of their situation.
            Education is the key, how many time do you need to be told this? Kids must go to school, if you cant read and write then you will not succeed in this country.
            What's that? There are no teachers? Hundreds to Adults sitting around with nothing to do and none of them can stand up, take there fully funded government education, with all the educational allowances and become a teacher and teach their children? If other Australians lived outback and there were no houses, we would start a building company and start building houses, rather than sit around moaning about how the government wont give us a house to live in.
            The sooner you stop making excuses and stop apologizing for Aboriginals the sooner they will start and do something

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      • rfnk:

        06 Oct 2008 11:32:27pm

        Well, it may as well be me who relies to this one ...
        I for one think that `baby bonuses', `school allowances' etc. should only be spent on those things instead of cigarettes etc. The principle is already applied, in fact, to the first home owners scheme. Alatea seems to think that people who think that money given for food should actually be spent on food are launching a wholesale attack on people who need money for food. In fact, I expect there are many people who would like to see all forms of welfare payments, middle-class welfare included, be converted to some sort of voucher system so that poorer people are not so embarassed by it and so that the funds are actually spent as intended by governments and taxpayers alike. Those of us who've actually worked with people who spend money given to them to support their children on gambling, cigarettes and excessive amounts of alcohol don't think this should continue. Maybe this doesn't happen on Alatea's planet.

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          • Felix:

            07 Oct 2008 9:50:21am

            well said rfnk. Welfare is supposed to provide the necessities as a saftey net - not be a way of life that allows every non quarantined $ spent on tobacco, grog, gunja or gambling.

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      • Aka:

        07 Oct 2008 12:01:28am

        Hey if iwelfare quarantining is done across the board, I would like to see it implemented in all those listed and also those recieving public monies, like politicians, teachers, police officers etc.

        While we were at it I think that seeing as there are so many in support of grog bans this could also go Australia wide. Just think of it. No more boozy lunches, mid strength beer only....

        The only thing is I doubt if it would be popular amongst most Australians.

        Parlimentary pensions would be good to go onto the quarantine management.

        How come so many people can not, or will not, see how blatantly racist welfare management and the associated policies are.

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  • Dibirdi:

    06 Oct 2008 6:00:50pm

    Before everyone on here starts esposing their intricate knowledge of Aboriginal affairs and society, then maybe you better ask yourself one question, how many on here are actually affected by these laws, how many actually have their incomes quarantined or their family members who might qualify?

    This is one of the first criticisms I have, is that this country is treating one particular group in the community different to everyone else, make excuses all you want but a drastic response doesn't automatically make it effective or appropriate...

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      • Felix:

        07 Oct 2008 9:55:50am

        No different to quarantining a community where there is an outbreak of infectious disease. You HAVE to treat everyone in that community. Would you prefer remote aboriginals continue to live in cesspits and cultural museums largely dependant on welfare for untold generations?

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  • Tess:

    07 Oct 2008 4:06:44am

    Living in a small town of 100 I know what it means to local business when people take their money elsewhere to larger cities.

    In one year we have lost;

    Our Milkbar/ supermarket
    Our petrol station (not good considering we live 50km from the nearest outlet)

    Without these basic shopping needs our community has dropped from 150 to 100 and sure to drop further.

    As a direct result of this I now have to rely on my mother (being a single parent) to move from her home into mine to look after my children while I work 5 hours away for 450 gross a week. I am an educated women who earns pittance in a low income job as to get a higher paying job would mean I would have to commit to being away even longer.....See the catch?

    My children 14,13,11,10,4 now have now have no mother living with them in order to pay the mortgage on a home that is now only worth halve of what it was.

    This will happen up there too if local business aren't included in this. Then lets see what horrors will evolve.

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  • Eugene:

    07 Oct 2008 9:50:22am

    The best way not to have your welfare quarantined is to get a job. Then you can spend your money how you like.

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      • Dibirdi:

        07 Oct 2008 10:22:05am

        The best way not to have your welfare quarantined is to not be Aboriginal!

        The issues are not as clear cut and simple as you mob make them out to be but I guess with the limited knowledge of the places, peoples & cultures being covered, it's alot easier to assume simplistic responses to complex dilemas.

        Our peoples are being held to ransom for infrastrucutre you mob already have, we may not have a cultural right to want to stay on country but we feel obliged to & if we are forced off land politically because we suffer socially then what would ensure our Aboriginality? Talk about rock & a hard place!

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